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More Sexuality stuff, So what would Jesus do?

In many of today's churches it is all about being of the world, a major sin to be sure, for we are to be in the world baptizing in the name of the Lord not hugging trees and ordaining gay and Transgendered people.

We seem to forget that Jesus when he taught had to reach Millennium's into the future to reach way past this generation.

So yes we love our neighbor, 24/7/365. but what if your neighbor kills your family, do you still love that neighbor? I say this because I know people who have forgiven the murderer of their loved ones. It is the most Christ Like life a person can have.

I say this in the extreme because just as we are to love our neighbor does not mean we have to like them or even talk to them. we need to help them when needed, especially to find Jesus. So we are open to all peoples to worship with us, offer to know the Christ, and we pray share and hug, we love. but we are not called to accept sin. We are not called to tell them it is ok to sin.

But do we accuse? Do we JUDGE?

Now I'm a judgement guy, I believe we cannot help people unless we judge them. Not to accuse or belittle but to access, help, and love.

We are to tell them that sex outside of marriage according to the Bible is a sin, one man, one woman. And that is it. We all sin, who is better than another? Only one is good and that is the father.
I sin every day, There are two kinds of Christians, those who sin and liars. I do not want to sin but I recognize and act on sin I do not rationalize it as something else.

Repent and Move on. So what if gay people say they are born that way and so it is ok to have sex in sin.
Well, I was born an alcoholic, I cannot change that fact, so I can either drink and hurt myself and those I love, Or I can abstain and not only turn from that sin which hurts me, but I have the chance to help others.

This came to me in Prayer recently, DO I love God, really love God,,,,,More than the sin I am committing??
I felt as Holy Spirit rushed over me at that moment that I wanted to desire God, Desire Jesus MORE than the sin I was committing.

So I view all people who are working toward ordination of gay people to being opposed to God, they are putting the world, sin and self ahead of God.... Not some plaster figure on a cross, But the LIVING GOD.
They adhere to fuzzy kitten theology, where we all live in a field of daisy's. They do not know the Bible, they do not know God and most Probably have not been baptized by Blood and Spirit.

If you truly believe in Adonai our God, shake with fear and humility. get on your knees and worship in love and ask for mercy. In Love, the God who died for you on the cross, will tell you in a quiet voice,
This is not your home, live a live devoted to our Father. Die to self daily and in Love and Humility love your neighbor as yourself.

We are not to burn these people at the stake, If they worship with you and still live in sin, even the heterosexuals, state Biblical truth to them once. Do not thump them with the Bible, Tell them once. They will either turn from sin or not, THAT is between them and God, It is up to each of us to work out our salvation.
We are asked to live the Gospel, and to share the good news. Tell them the truth, then love them into the Kingdom of God.

Amen

SEX, SEX, SEX,SEX,SEX

I guess my picture does look like the Feds are coming to arrest me. ( long story)

I like SEX, Alot.
A joke, a guy named Sean brags in the bar that he gets all the sex he needs, his mate says, wot? I hardly knew you with a woman,,,,,,Don't need no woman said Sean, I got the Internet.

At the ELCA Synod convention I went to my first Lutheran CORE meeting, ( It was not well attended) AND there were spy's!!!!, my pastorette Tari and a pastor from Houghton and one from Escanaba. SEX, UGH,,,not in my church,,, Core is cool, Im up wit dem. I love Gay people, I feel for them, I really do, and I wish the gay marrige ban in Michigan would have left them with the ability for civel unions.

So at the ELCA sexuality hearing in Cheboygan yesterday I was prepared top read a whole page, and so I stepped on up to the microphone and found I was literally only able to say a small bit,,,,,Guess Holy Spirit wanted me to say only a little. and I said this

The study states that “The past six or seven decades have seen immense changes in every aspect of human life, including human sexuality. The sexuality study seeks to describe the social realities of this age and to address them pastorally.”

It seems to me that many Clergy in the ELCA believe that Gods church needs to change to conform to social norms. In the past the social norms in America was that Slavery of Africans was Permissible. True Christians and not Pseudo Christians were steadfast in there belief that Slavery was evil. The same can be said for Nazi Germany, The Lutheran and Catholic churches adopted the social norms of the times.
As Christ bearers in this world we are called to be set apart, holy, sanctified. We are not to adopt that which is of the world while disregarding the Word of God.

With Sex being the focus in the ELCA now I guess Interesting times are upon us. I wonder though, my Pastor kept stepping up to add or question small differences in the wording of the study, she wants the word baptism added and I wonder if she knows the difference between Baptism by water, by Blood, and by Spirit. I get the feeling she might not.

In Christ
Rick

A Gay time in Chicago

As a Christian who was raised in the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod till we move to the U.P. and now a ELCA Christian since 1963, I am now concerned what will become of the Lutheran Church since this past week when in the ELCA Convention in Chicago, The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) passed a resolution at its annual assembly urging bishops to refrain from disciplining pastors who are in "faithful committed same-gender relationships."

This passed by a vote of 538-431, What does this mean for the church? what does it mean for my church and what does it mean for me?

At Zion Lutheran here in St.Ignace our Church council president is a gay woman living in a committed relationship with another woman. I really like both women though only one of them attend church. I suppose that this vote will mean nothing physically to Zion Lutheran. Things will continue to go on as it has before.

I Imagine after the CORE convention Sept 28 some church's will split from the ELCA, how many will remain to be seen but I wonder if it will be 431 churches.

Core http://www.commonconfession.net/index2.html

What of me? I have 1 1/2 year of Lay School , I am deeply committed in a multi-Denominational Ministry in 4 prisons and have a hunger for the word of God.

Well, I will not attend a church that has a gay minister. I will still believe that what the Bible says that Homosexuality is a sin. Not so much because of scripture says verbatim but for the fact that A homosexual relationship is all about that person, And for thousands of years millenniums upon millenniums God has made it a HARD point to say it is NOT ABOUT YOU, It is about your relationship with Yahweh. So homosexuality is in defiance of Living for God and God alone.

For that Gay Community it is not only all about me, It seems they want to jam there lifestyle down our throats.
This call for Prayer, It calls for loving our gay brothers and sisters, But it also calls to God for Faithfulness.

In Messiah
Rick